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Did you miss your activation email?   May 23, 2013, 01:09:16 pm
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Question: Is soft lead better than sharp lead given all else is equal?
Yes, I prefer soft lead - I am a leader   -2 (22.2%)
Yes, I prefer soft lead - I am a follower   -1 (11.1%)
No, I prefer sharp lead - I am a leader   -1 (11.1%)
No, I prefer sharp lead - I am a follower   -4 (44.4%)
It does not matter - I am a leader   -0 (0%)
It does not matter - I am a follower   -1 (11.1%)
Total Voters: 7

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Re: Sharp versus soft lead
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2006, 01:41:12 pm »

Actually Leaders are constructed with 3 brains - located respectively in the genitals, stomach, and head.   Unfortunately being classic A-B thinkers we can only respond to signals from one at a time (and in inverse proportion to the size of the brain).
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Re: Sharp versus soft lead
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2006, 12:44:55 pm »

According to Leonardo?s diagram the ideal Salsa follower has four arms and legs... and ideally two brains.? ?

Mmmmm... most of the people I see in clubs have difficulty keeping control of two arms and two legs, never mind four!!

Mind you, just think of the styling and shines you could do.

As for the brains, most salsa guys seem to operate just fine with the one between their legs  Grin
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Re: Sharp versus soft lead
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2006, 12:41:55 pm »

Interestingly cheeky leaders come with at most three arms, making them able to lead left handed, right handed? and underhandedly too ;-)

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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2006, 10:39:07 am »

According to Leonardo?s diagram the ideal Salsa follower has four arms and legs... and ideally two brains.   Damn that Leonardo, he seems to have invented everything first!   Of course finding a follower who's in two minds about foreplay might be slightly more desirable ;-)

Interestingly cheeky leaders come with at most three arms, making them able to lead left handed, right handed? and underhandedly too ;-)
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Re: Sharp versus soft lead
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2006, 07:40:42 pm »

This is getting a little over the top... You don't need a protractor.

Try measuring distance from center of axis to shoulder and also measure from shoulder to elbow. I think you'll find the ratio to be approximately 2:3. Alternatively, look closely at the Da Vinci drawing near the bottom of this post.



Round circle above is the head. Body core and arm are ellipses. Arm is pointed straight ahead, which makes the triangle (in red) a right triangle. A little trigonometry...

tangent of the angle = length of the opposite side (3) / length of the adjacent side (2)

angle = between 56 and 57

If the arm is pointed slightly towards the center of the body axis, our angle gets larger... closer to 60 degrees or roughly 1 o'clock.



I have no idea what you mean by 25/30 degrees from shoulder to elbow.
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« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2006, 06:44:02 pm »

This is all getting overly complicated when it's actually quite simple...

1) Never straighten your arm - there should always be a bend at the elbow even on 'open break' type moves.

2) Never allow your elbow to pass behind the line of your body.

3) During a spin (followers), keep your leading arm in an 'L' shape with your elbow at the same height as your shoulder. Your elbow should be about 45 degrees from your face.

4) Tension should only be applied in the horizontal plane (forward/backward), never in the vertical (up/down).


Not bad, except for (3). If your elbow is about 45 degrees from your face, it's positioned far too right (assuming Right arm is in L position). It's more like 60 degrees (or about 1 o'clock) relative to center of face - or straight ahead/forward from shoulder or slightly in towards the center of body axis depending on whom you talk to.

You're probably assuming that center of body axis from neck to shoulder is equidistant to from shoulder to elbow - this is wrong.

Sorry, I'll get my protractor out next time Wink

Actually, having just sat here with my arm in the air, I'd still say 45 degrees from central axis to elbow ... which equates to 25/30 degrees from shoulder to elbow (assuming straight ahead is zero degrees)
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Re: Sharp versus soft lead
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2006, 05:38:05 pm »

This is all getting overly complicated when it's actually quite simple...

1) Never straighten your arm - there should always be a bend at the elbow even on 'open break' type moves.

2) Never allow your elbow to pass behind the line of your body.

3) During a spin (followers), keep your leading arm in an 'L' shape with your elbow at the same height as your shoulder. Your elbow should be about 45 degrees from your face.

4) Tension should only be applied in the horizontal plane (forward/backward), never in the vertical (up/down).


Not bad, except for (3). If your elbow is about 45 degrees from your face, it's positioned far too right (assuming Right arm is in L position). It's more like 60 degrees (or about 1 o'clock) relative to center of face - or straight ahead/forward from shoulder or slightly in towards the center of body axis depending on whom you talk to.

You're probably assuming that center of body axis from neck to shoulder is equidistant to from shoulder to elbow - this is wrong.
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